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Hunter’s Edge: Scagel Knives Medium Hunter

Ready yourself edgewise for the upcoming fall hunting season with a classically designed outdoor knife, the O Style Medium Hunter from Scagel Knives.

    Based on the style of Blade Magazine Cutlery Hall-Of-Fame© member William Scagel, the knife sports a 5.5-inch blade of A-2 tool steel heat treated to 58 HRC to take an edge and hold it for field dressing and other game chores.

    A convex grind—the favorite of another Cutlery Hall Of Famer, Bill Moran—enhances blade geometry, and a spalted maple handle with a single guard completes an attractive, ergonomic handle.

    Weight: 7.5 ounces. Overall length: 10.125 inches.

    For more info click on http://www.shopblade.com/scagel-design-knives-medium-hunter-o/?lid=blss082712

9 Keys To Ordering Custom Knives

Few things are more satisfying than placing a custom order with your favorite knifemaker and then holding the finished knife in your hands.

However, the process from start to finish is not always simple.

If you are thinking about ordering a custom knife, consider a few important points as you pursue the maker and the knife. Simply placing the order may be challenge enough, depending on the maker’s backlog and obligations to others. In fact, some makers do not accept orders. Deciding exactly what you want, preparing to convey that to a prospective maker, and then coming to an agreement on the terms of the deal require thought and planning.

Collectors interested in ordering a custom knife are driven primarily by a desire to own the work of a specific maker, the desire to own a specific style of knife complete with certain favored materials, or a combination of the two. Custom makers regularly do have backlogs, and you may also have to decide how long you are willing to wait. Though the Internet brings a wealth of information to the computer screen, the process of ordering a custom knife remains virtually the same as it has been down through the years.

“Other than the fact you can do your homework about a maker in a short period of time [thanks to the Internet], I don’t think the ordering process has changed much,” related veteran collector Paul Kessler, pictured above at left talking knives with ABS master smith John White. “What has changed is how we get to placing that order. My first custom order was from a maker whose work I had seen in an A.G. Russell publication. I wrote that maker and received a reply. Then, there was a return letter from me with $5 in it for a packet of color photographs of the maker’s work, and an explanation of the materials he used in the construction of his knives. Then, of course, came another letter with an order, and then finally the knife.”

The Internet does allow an exchange of information within minutes, while just a few short years ago such a dialogue between maker and collector might take days, even weeks. “The problem with the Internet, however, is that you can’t hold the knife in your hand and feel it,” warned collector Larry Abramson. “I have seen knives and fallen in love with the picture, and then when I handle the knife it just doesn’t fit.”

Phil Lobred has been collecting knives since 1968 and agrees the most significant change in the custom-ordering process is the speed of the computer age. He still recommends the personal approach.

“Usually, I like to talk face-to-face with the maker so he has a better understanding of what I want, and I get a better feel for whether I’m going to get what I want,” Lobred advised. “Simply contact the maker and ask if he’s taking orders. If he is, give him one. If he is several years behind, you may not even need to pick the style of knife at the time you order [but instead pick it] when the maker is ready to make it. You may change your mind several times from when you put the order in and when the knife is to be made. Or, better yet, talk to the maker at a show [see sidebar below] about the knife you want and order it there. Knife shows are a ‘hands-on’ experience as opposed to looking at pictures. You can watch football but it’s a whole other thing to play football.”

LEVELS OF INVOLVEMENT

One aspect sometimes overlooked is the collector’s expectation of direct involvement in the making of the knife itself.

“That is between each maker and collector,” Lobred commented. “Some collectors want to get too involved. I learned a long time ago that I liked to give the maker the style of knife I wanted—upswept hunter, dropped hunter, fighter, bowie, folder, etc., full tang or narrow tang, and handle material preference. If I order something like a San Francisco knife, I tell them the style of knife I want, the handle material, and maybe the metal to use in certain places, especially if you are using gold and silver. Then, I wait like everybody else and hope I like the final result. I choose the makers I use because I like their work, I trust their work, and I like the maker. Most people should leave the actual knife designing to the maker.”

Kessler leans heavily on his knowledge of a custom knifemaker, the maker’s reputation, and the already assessed quality of the maker’s work. Involvement? “Not much more than the choice of materials and input into the basic design,” Paul said. “The orders I place are with makers and the style of knives they’re making that I’m already familiar with.

“Of course,” he continued, “if you’re asking your ‘favorite maker’ to build a style of knife that’s outside the box from what they normally make, then you will of necessity be more involved in the design process, its implementation, and the materials used in making the knife. If I’m ordering a knife with the thought of having it engraved, I will ask the engraver to be involved in the design of the knife itself. If possible, it’s always nice to have a few ‘work-in-progress’ photos from the maker as the work [evolves].”

DEPOSITS: YES OR NO?

When it comes to paying an up-front deposit to the maker, opinions vary. While it may seem practical to pay for high-end materials in the beginning, as a general rule it may be advisable to shy away from a deposit, particularly if the waiting period is lengthy.

“I very rarely pay a deposit,” Lopez explained. “I try very hard not to. I can see a maker’s point of view of making a knife and maybe having the person back out. By the same token, most makers think they will just be able to sell the knife to another person if that person doesn’t want it. I can certainly understand it if it’s a custom order that is out of the maker’s norm, or if it requires a lot of gold or out-of-pocket expense for the maker.”

Lobred added, “You should not pay a deposit until the maker is ready to make your knife. Makers should not accept a deposit until then. If you pay up front, the money gets spent and the maker is in trouble because they need the time to make the knife and the money for the time.

“I used to pay for the knives when I ordered them thinking that would put pressure on the maker to get my knife done. It doesn’t work. It just causes problems down the line.”

PREPARATION & COMMUNICATION

Avoiding problems that occur during the custom-order transaction benefits everyone. If a collector is dissatisfied with the finished product, the conversation that follows may be difficult. Most makers, however, want their customers to be happy and will do their best to work things out.

“Have your maker in mind, and definitely don’t rush because things can pop up,” Abramson concluded. “Make sure everything is communicated on the front end and maybe draw up an order form that both parties can sign so everything is in writing, almost like a contract.”

Trust is the critical element in ordering a custom knife. Both the knifemaker and the collector should be comfortable with one another and willing to communicate. Preparation makes all the difference.—By Mike Haskew

9 Keys To Custom Orders

•First, be sure the maker accepts custom orders;

•Know the maker’s backlog and obligations;

•Decide how long you are willing to wait for the knife to be delivered;

•If possible, talk face-to-face with the maker;

•Be sure you know what you want and convey it well to the maker;

•Except in special situations (see the following bulleted key), leave the actual knife designing to the maker;

•Order a style for which the maker is known; if not, accept more responsibility for the implementation of the knife and the outcome;

•If you must pay a deposit, do not do so until the maker is ready to start making your knife, and;

•Draw up an order form you and the maker can sign so everything is in writing. This protects not only you but the maker as well.

The Knife Show Connection

Attending knife shows is high on the list of the experienced collector in helping to size up options before ordering. “I think everyone who likes and collects custom knives should go to at least one knife show a year,” encouraged collector Carlos Lopez. “It’s the way you get to meet all the makers, dealers and collectors. It’s also one of the ways you realize that this big, diverse group of people share your passion. It’s an incredibly nice group of people overall, and it’s always very fulfilling and fun to attend the different shows.”

In a practical sense, knifemakers and prospective buyers do establish personal contact at shows, providing one another with a connection that eases the ordering process. A discussion about materials, pricing, approximate delivery date, and other details can take place in a comfortable setting. Best of all, the collector can hold an example of the maker’s work in his hands.—by Mike Haskew

 

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Hunter’s Edge: Gerber Metolius

Get twice the cutting versatility in skinning and dressing game for the upcoming fall hunting season with the Gerber Metolius.

    The folder has drop-point and skinning blades, the latter with a safety ball for the tip to prevent accidental puncturing of the organs of the animal while cutting inside it. The drop point works on a lockback mechanism, the skinning blade via a push button. Each blade is 3.2 inches long.

    The knife sports a Gerber Softgrip overmold handle for enhanced purchase. Overall weight: 4.8 ounces. Length open: 7.9 inches.

    An easy-carry ballistic nylon sheath is included.

    ShopBlade’s price to you: $44.99.

 

For more info click on http://www.shopblade.com/gerber-metolius-2-blade-folding-knife-y6983/?lid=blss082212

 

Vote For Your Favorite Expendables 2 Knife!

Sylvester Stallone’s Expendables 2 action blockbuster took the box office by storm this past weekend, in no small part thanks to the knives made for the movie by Blade Magazine Cutlery Hall-Of-Fame© member Gil Hibben.

    All of which got us to thinking …

    Which of Hibben’s knives in the movie is your favorite? Is it (starting from top above), the Legion Fighter on the cover of the November BLADE® (on newsstands NOW), the Toothpick, the Alamo Bowie or the Double Shadow?

    Let us know via a post, e-mail or whatever electronic means you need to use in order to vote.

    And please, only one vote per person!

    All of the above pictures except for the cover are by Mike Carter.

For the latest knives, knife trends, knifemakers, what knives to buy and where, knife legislation, knifemaking instruction, and much more, subscribe to BLADE® Magazine, the World’s No. 1 Knife Publication. Click on http://www.shopblade.com/blade-magazine-one-year-subscription-us/?lid=blss082112

Game Edge: Fall Hunting Knives

With fall hunting season close at hand, you need the best in today’s latest outdoor knives.

    Enter our new “Game Edge: Fall Hunting Knives” series on ShopBlade.com!

    First up: the Outdoor Edge Butcher-Lite Knife Set.

    The set includes a 3-inch caper, 4.25-inch gut-hook skinner, 6-inch boning/fillet knife, 7.25-inch wood-bone saw, a tungsten-carbide sharpener, a rib-cage spreader and a set of game-cleaning gloves.

    Straight from the hunting knife genius of Outdoor Edge’s David Bloch, the set has every tool you need to skin, quarter and debone big game. The set is belt-carried in a nylon roll pack, with each piece easily accessible for instant use.

    ShopBlade’s price: $59.99.

    For more info and ordering information, click here.

Elvis and Gil: A Sharp Evening To Remember

Elvis Presley died Aug. 16, 1977, but it was only three years earlier in 1974 that Blade Magazine Cutlery Hall-Of-Fame© member Gil Hibben got to spend some time with the rock ‘n roll legend.

    Along with Phil Lobred, coordinator of today’s Art Knife Invitational, Hibben gained an audience with Presley and Ed Parker, grand master of American Kenpo karate. It was only for one evening but Hibben and Lobred spent quality time with Elvis talking knives, music and more.

    It was, of course, an evening neither Hibben or Lobred will ever forget.

    Hibben has made knives for Sylvester Stallone in two Rambo movies and two Expendables movies. The second Expendables film, Expendables 2, is in movie theaters nationwide now, and the new knife Hibben made especially for it is the cover piece for the November BLADE®, on newsstands NOW.

    From left above are “The King” striking a pose while holding a Hibben knife, Parker and a young, lean Gil Hibben. Kenpo is spelled incorrectly as “Kempo” in the caption below the picture. I tried to crop it out but as a computer layout artist I am a miserable failure. (photo courtesy of Gil Hibben and Mike Carter)

 

For the latest knives, knife trends, knifemakers, what knives to buy and where, knife legislation, knifemaking instruction, and much more, subscribe to BLADE® Magazine, the World’s No. 1 Knife Publication. Click here to start a subscription.

Expendables 2 Knives in New BLADE® On Newsstands NOW!

Click the cover to download this issue from ShopBlade.com.

The new knives for this weekend’s blockbuster debut of Sylvester Stallone’s Expendables 2, the Blade Magazine 2012 Knives Of The Year®, a recap of the 2012 BLADE Show and much more highlight the latest issue of the November BLADE®, on most newsstands NOW!

Made by Blade Magazine Cutlery Hall-Of-Fame© member Gil Hibben with input from Stallone, the Legion Fighter is the Hibben knife fashioned especially for Expendables 2, and it graces the cover of the November BLADE. Read about it and much more concerning the movie and its knives this issue.

Meanwhile, the Kai Group—which includes Kershaw, Shun and Zero Tolerance—took home four Blade Magazine Knife-Of-The-Year Awards during the 2012 BLADE Show, and its winners and the balance of the factory knife industry’s finest are highlighted in the November BLADE.

The BLADE Show (www.bladeshow.com) was one of if not the most successful renditions ever of the world’s largest and most important knife show. The November BLADE tells you all about it, including the winners of the custom knife awards, which knives sold, the latest trends and a whole lot more.

Other stories include Kit Carson’s induction into the Blade Magazine Cutlery Hall Of Fame; the growing trend of the Japanese hamon appearing on an increasing number of Western knife styles; Spyderco’s “Upside-Down Lock”; knifemaking how-to’s; knife tests; the latest knives and much, much more.

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